Doctor Who passing thought

[torrain_circles]

So, the companions who've deliberately quit being a companion, because they needed their own lives...

Dr. Elizabeth Shaw;
Dr. Grace Holloway;
and Dr. Martha Jones (who, you know, I'm giving the title to on the theory that I expect her to have finished qualifying by now)

I am perhaps seeing a bit of a trend here.

On a related note, am now no longer whether sure to count the Master that Eight fought as one of the incarnations. I'm not sure it really matters, given that I never find myself referring to the Master by number.

Comments

[trippingpossum.livejournal.com]

what about Sara-Jones Parker??

[torrain.livejournal.com]

Ah... Who?

(If you mean Sarah Jane Smith, she got dropped off because he couldn't bring humans to Gallifrey and concluded he'd died or gotten distracted when he didn't show up for about thirty years.)

Ian and Barbara went home, but I really got more of an impression that they wanted to stop getting shot at by Daleks, not that they'd decided that the Doctor was... emotionally bad for their personal growth.

I'm specifically discounting people who found a calling (or a love interest) *through* the Doctor; I'm looking at those who had something without him that was good and important enough to go back to, even once they'd met him. People who were.... hrm. Fundamentally adults in the first place, I guess.

[jasmine-koran.livejournal.com]

I really wanted Martha to stay, dammit.

I also plan an entry later on the only big problem I have with the season finale of season 3 (considering the second half of that season was almost entirely uninterrupted oh-dear-God-my-jaw-may-never-leave-the-floor-again awesome).

[torrain.livejournal.com]

That would be interesting to see (the entry, I mean). Me, I *wish* she'd met Nine. Ten's cool, but I would really have loved to see the interaction between Martha and Nine. He's got a great and fundamental personal compassion to him.

(Mind you, Nine is also my Doctor. I fully acknowledge that I might be prejudiced about this.)

Oh well. Not like there isn't a history of the Doctors running into each other. I live in hope.

[jasmine-koran.livejournal.com]

I've thought about Martha and Nine meeting, and while I do like the idea, they'd have had a very, very different dynamic than Martha and Ten. Rose was very much a child...lived with her mum, silly relationship with an immature boy, clearly not terrifically bright, lived only for the moment and really could barely take care of herself.

Martha, on the other hand....brilliant woman, strong-willed. Lived on her own Studying for an amazing career. Was basically the stable influence and peacekeeper of her family. No relationship because she needed none. An independent, powerful adult.

Rose and Nine's relationship was very much inferior to superior. It always struck me as more father/daughter or older brother/baby sister than the romantic one the writers kept trying to shoehorn it into. Ten and Rose as lovers made a little more sense, because Ten strikes me as fundamentally more immature than Nine did, and in some ways he seemed to live for the moment the same way Rose did. But it was still inferior/superior; he was the dominant partner in the relationship, and they knew it.

Martha, however, related to Ten almost as an equal. I always go back to "Blink" when I think of this; the one moment when Martha appears on the tape. She pokes her head into the screen and snaps indignantly about how she has to work in a shop to support the Doctor. He has to shoo her off screen. Yes, there were definitely moments when the Doctor showed his power and Martha submitted, but for the most part their relationship struck me as much more egalitarian than that of Rose and either Doctor did. In many ways, Martha took care of the Doctor the same way she took care of her family. And that....that would not have worked with Nine. Don't get me wrong, I think they would have been a fantastic pair, but there would have been bloody fireworks.

*surveys the last page*....Look what you made me do :p.

[wraith-mistress.livejournal.com]

I was so pleased when they got Derek Jacobi for the Master. I wish they would have kept him on for a while. He can play the absent minded fool so well AND also the evil mastermind also. Such a good actor. (I fell in love with him in I, Claudius)

I agree with you on the companions. Remind me how Leela left. I always held her in such high regard since Sarah Jane was only there to scream and be saved. I love that fact that she could take care of herself.

My Doctor has always been the 5th Doctor BUT the 9th grew on me like the others did.

They have brought back the Master do you think they will bring back Rani?

Marlene

[torrain.livejournal.com]

> They have brought back the Master do you think they will bring back Rani?

Welll... There *have* been clips of a confident-looking woman with a kind of evil smile wielding a sonic screwdriver in the promo for season 30, so they might. (Plus there was that hand with the bright red nailpolish reaching for the Master's remnants at the end of Season 29.)

I have hopes.

(I haven't seen much of the older stuff, but I believe Leela was one of those who fell met somebody while travelling with the Doctor, fell in love with them, and decided to stay with them. A Gallifreyan.)

Jacobi was amazing, yeah.

[drjamez.livejournal.com]

If she's not The Master (er, would The Mistress count with the gender change? This is the BBC after all...), then she *could* be The Rani, an established female Time Lady foe of The Doctor (and, technically, a foe of The Master's as well, snicker).

- James -

[drjamez.livejournal.com]

Effectively, I'm suggesting that this new female could be The Master and not actually The Rani, but we'll see. Also, methinks that the actress (although I may be WAY off here) might have also been the one to play the spider Arachnos (sp) lady from last year's Christmas Special, "The Runaway Bride." If it's not her, that spider lady actress should appear in another episode sans spider makeup.

- James -

[torrain.livejournal.com]

What's driving me nuts is the third blonde--not the possible-Time-Lord/Lady, not Cassandra[1]--but the one with hair cut in a neat smooth bob. I *swear* I've seen her before. Mind you, it might have been in an entirely different series--Jekyll, or something.
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[1] Yay! Cassandra!

[drjamez.livejournal.com]

Tegan Jovanka technically left twice, of her own accord, although her departure in Time-Flight was more of a misunderstanding than not.

According to the horribly written post-script from Trial of a Time Lord, Peri also left on her own accord because she fell in love and married Brian Blessed's character of King Ycranos.

Neither are nor could ever claim to be "doctor" levels intellectually speaking. ;-)

I am sure there are others who've opted out on their own accord, if I think about it for a bit. Granted, Peri's departure was originally to be killed, which I think would have fit far more thematically to the story, but Robert Holmes' passing away before finishing his tag for Trial of a Time Lord sorta put 'em in a bad situation.

- James -

[torrain.livejournal.com]

There are. But I'm drawing a distinction between those who went back to something they had, and those who went on to something they didn't have before, you see?

[drjamez.livejournal.com]

Ahhh! That makes more sense than just looking at companions that left on their own accord or request.

In that case, discounting the forced departure and partial mind-wipe of Zoe and Jamie from the Second Doctor's end-game "The War Games," you may be dead on there. I'd need to think about it a bit more.

- James -